Tithe Applotment listing for Ed d Tobin, Deerpark townland, Rossinan civil parish, County Kilkenny, 1833
Or, Subtitled: In the Absence of Records Necessary to Prove Genealogical Connections, One Goes A-Fishing
In a previous posting, I explained my reasons for concluding that my ancestor Bridget Tobin, who was born in 1818 in County Kilkenny, Ireland, and who married Valentine Ryan, son of John Ryan and Margaret Oates, in Kilmacow parish on 20 January 1833, perhaps had a sister Catherine who married John Walsh in the same parish on 20 January 1833. The same posting notes that Daniel Tobin married Bridget Walsh in Kilmacow parish on 12 February 1832. My posting asks if it’s possible that Daniel Tobin is another sibling of Bridget Tobin Ryan. I also noted that Edmond Tobin married Mary Comerford in Templeorum parish on 23 July 1839, with the marriage record stating that the couple lived at Buckstown. That would place Daniel in the same area as Bridget, Catherine, and Daniel, and would point to the possibility that he could be another sibling of Bridget.
Engraving of Bessborough House, County Kilkenny, Ireland, from John Preston Neale, Views of the Seats of Noblemen and Gentlemen in England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland , vol. 2 (London : Sherwood, Neely, and Jones, 1820), p. 273
Or, Subtitled: Papers of Landed Estates as Sources of Genealogical Information
In previous postings (
here and here), I’ve told you that the earliest ancestor I’ve been able to prove in my southern County Kilkenny, Ireland, Ryan family is a John Ryan who appears to have been born prior to 1785, and who married Margaret, daughter of John Oates and Eleanor Thompson of Tybroughney/Tibberaghney, a townland in the civil parish of Fiddown in County Kilkenny. As the postings that I’ve just linked tell you, I first catch sight of John and Margaret Oates Ryan in the register of their Catholic parish, Templeorum, when their first child, a son named Valentine, was baptized in that parish on 6 May 1805.
Watercolor painting of the ship James Nesmith by artist Duncan McFarlane (1818-1865), online at the , from an auction held by Bourgeault-Horan Antiquarians in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, in August 2008 invaluable website
Or, Subtitled: Things Are Seldom Quite as Simple as One Would Like in Genealogical Research, Are They?
Throwback Thursday they call it, right? This posting is a throwback to a series of posts I did in April 2018, which began
with this posting entitled “In Memory of Valentine Ryan, Born in Co. Kilkenny, Ireland, Feb. 23, 1810, Died Feb. 22, 1881. Erected by his son Patrick Ryan.” The series that begins with the linked posting above (you can follow the whole series by clicking on the next posting at the bottom of the page) tracks the roots of Valentine Ryan (1811-1881) and wife Bridget Tobin (1818-1873) of southern County Kilkenny, Ireland. As the series explains, Valentine was the son of John Ryan and Margaret Oates of Templeorum Catholic parish — the family lived in Belline and Rogerstown townland in Fiddown civil parish, at a place in that townland called Logriach or Loughreagh, which is part of Piltown. Margaret,  the daughter of John Oates and Eleanor Thompson, was from nearby Tybroughney/Tibberaghny, also part of Piltown. Tybroughney/Tibberaghny is the townland bordering Belline and Rogerstown to the east.
Down Survey Map, 1656-8, southwestern County Kilkenny, showing Tybroughny, Belline, Rogerstown, Piltown
In my previous posting, I told you that I’d follow up by providing a summary of what I think I know of John Ryan and his family apart from what’s to be found in the records of Templeorum Catholic parish in County Kilkenny, Ireland, which document the baptisms of five children born to John and wife Margaret Oates from 1805 to 1815. What we know of John from sources other than the Templeorum records is, in truth, not much at all — not much that’s solidly proven, that is. It’s a set of suppositions that, in my view, are plausible, given what evidence we have about his and his family’s whereabouts from 1805-1815, as captured by the Templeorum baptismal records. Continue reading ““In Memory of Valentine Ryan, Born in Co. Kilkenny, Ireland, Feb. 23, 1810, Died Feb. 22, 1881. Erected by his son Patrick Ryan”: Irish Roots of Ryan Family, Grant County, Arkansas (5)”
Map for County Kilkenny, Samuel Lewis, Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (London: S. Lewis & Co., 1837) — close-up of southwest County Kilkenny
As my previous posting tells you, though Valentine Ryan and Bridget Tobin married in Mullinavat in 1836, then settled there and raised their family (in the area called Buckstown), Valentine’s roots lie in the Catholic parish immediately adjacent to Kilbeacon parish in Mullinavat on its west side — in the parish of Templeorum and the town of Piltown. Templeorum is in southwestern County Kilkenny in Iverk Barony, bordering on both Counties Tipperary and Waterford. Continue reading ““In Memory of Valentine Ryan, Born in Co. Kilkenny, Ireland, Feb. 23, 1810, Died Feb. 22, 1881. Erected by his son Patrick Ryan”: Irish Roots of Ryan Family, Grant County, Arkansas (4)”
Tombstone of Bridget Tobin Ryan, Orion Cemetery, Grant County, Arkansas. Inscription reads, “May her soul rest in Pais, Bridget Ryan, Died November 19, 1873, aged 55 years.” In the lower right corner is an inscription saying, “Eracted by V. Ryne,” with the name “J. Gill” carved beneath this.
In my previous two postings in this series, I’ve explained
how I eventually found my Ryan ancestors’ roots in County Kilkenny, Ireland, after many years of searching. I now want to tell you what I found, once documents began to open to me after I had determined a specific place of residence for the family and a particular Catholic parish in which the family’s baptisms, marriages, and deaths are recorded. A reminder: a cardinal rule of doing research on Irish families is that you must locate their precise place of residence before records will unlock for you. Continue reading ““In Memory of Valentine Ryan, Born in Co. Kilkenny, Ireland, Feb. 23, 1810, Died Feb. 22, 1881. Erected by his son Patrick Ryan”: Irish Roots of Ryan Family, Grant County, Arkansas (3)”
County Kilkenny, Ireland, G.W. Cotton Map, 1856
first posting in this series, I began telling you how, after years of searching, I eventually located the specific place in County Kilkenny, Ireland, from which my Ryan ancestors emigrated to America in 1852-3. My family had long known that Valentine Ryan and his wife Bridget, my great-great-grandparents, brought their family from County Kilkenny to the U.S. — but precisely where they had lived in County Kilkenny, we had forgotten. Continue reading ““In Memory of Valentine Ryan, Born in Co. Kilkenny, Ireland, Feb. 23, 1810, Died Feb. 22, 1881. Erected by his son Patrick Ryan”: Irish Roots of Ryan Family, Grant County, Arkansas (2)”